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Sales, Marketing & PR11 discussions

How should spirits and drinks businesses manage pricing in response to duty increases?

The 1st August duty increase is coming, and members recommend being proactive rather than deferring price rises. Here's the collective approach: **Timing and cash flow:** - **Duty comes into effect 1st August** — this is a firm date to plan around - If cash flow allows, **duty-pay stock on 31st July** rather than pre-selling ahead of the increase, to avoid locking in old duty rates - Prepare for the cash flow impact of a 10% increase in duty when calculating working capital needs **Pricing strategy:** - **Stick to your guns on pricing** — don't erode margins by absorbing the increase. The trade expects price moves from major brands, so your customers are psychologically prepared - **Don't lowball the increase.** Deferring pricing just "kicks the can down the road and makes the pain worse." The last decade of low inflation was the aberration; price increases are a normal part of the business cycle - **Check wholesaler maths carefully.** When wholesalers calculate duty-paid pricing and ask you to confirm you're passing it on, verify their numbers — they sometimes get it wrong - **Use price increases strategically.** An increase may let you break a price barrier in the market (e.g. moving from £9.99 to £10.99), which retailers appreciate since they like fixed price points (£9.99, £10.49, £10.89, etc.). This can actually generate more margin per unit **Market context:** - Major brands have been taking increases for over a year, so the trade is already expecting them from smaller players - Everyone faces the same cost pressures — glass prices are rising with limited suppliers, so the entire market will generally move in the same direction - Price increases drive premiumisation; the gap between price points narrows, making premium positioning more valuable - If a customer pushes back saying "I know how much it costs," point out that own-label doesn't command a price premium for a reason — your brand positioning justifies the price **Caveat:** Don't describe increases as a "necessary evil" — frame them as normal business management. This mindset will make the conversations easier.

#duty#pricing#cash-flow#margins
Sales, Marketing & PR8 discussions

How are UK spirits and brewing founders responding to rising material and energy costs, and what pricing strategies are they using?

Rising input costs across the supply chain are forcing producers to pass increases to consumers to maintain margins. Cost pressures are significant and widespread. **Cost increases members reported:** - Glass up 11% (though some suppliers reported energy-related hikes up to 25% on their own costs) - Cardboard rising sharply - Botanicals and juniper up substantially (juniper prices now approaching double what they were 5 years ago) - Energy bills up nearly 30% - Sealing wax and other ancillary materials all rising - Shipping costs up across the board **Pricing response:** - **Major brewers** raising prices by 5% in Q1, with expectations of another 5% rise mid-2022 - Members acknowledge they must pass some costs onto consumers or margins will be unsustainable **Key caveat:** The member consensus is that cost inflation is broad-based and severe ("everything from sealing wax to botanicals and blinking cardboard is well up"), making it difficult to absorb costs without retail price increases. Members are watchful about further energy price increases, which remain uncertain.

#pricing-strategy#cost-inflation#materials#energy-costs
Sales, Marketing & PR8 discussions

What are realistic ROAS targets and cost-per-acquisition benchmarks for D2C alcohol brands advertising on Meta?

ROAS targets vary significantly by business model and margin structure, but members report aiming for **3:1 revenue-to-ad-spend ratio** as a general industry benchmark. However, the drinks industry faces particular challenges due to duty costs (c. £9 on 40% ABV) and delivery fees (c. £5), which compress margins dramatically. **Key metrics and targets from the community:** - **5.5 ROAS target** — one established D2C operator (100,000+ Shopify orders achieved) sets this as their benchmark across all D2C channels (not just Meta, due to platform attribution unreliability). They pull back spend if ROAS falls below this threshold. - **50% minimum margin requirement** — members stressed this is the floor for sustainable D2C; without it, acquisition costs cannot be recovered profitably. - **First-order profitability as non-negotiable** — don't rely on customer lifetime value to subsidise acquisition, especially post-iOS privacy changes. One member reported £22 per purchase cost against a £46 average basket value (break-even on first order), relying on re-orders for profit. - **Customer lifetime value (LTV) focus** — D2C profitability depends on repeat purchases, not first-order ROAS alone. New releases, seasonal offers (e.g. Christmas), and strong creative assets improve Meta performance. - **Real-world example:** £10 ad spend on a £30 net sale leaves minimal margin after product costs, duty (£9), and delivery (£5). **Caveats:** Meta attribution is unreliable; measure ROAS across all D2C sales channels, not just platform-reported metrics. VAT must also be factored into margin calculations. Success on Meta is now limited to tactical moments (new releases, promotions, seasonal campaigns) rather than sustained performance.

#d2c#meta advertising#roas#customer acquisition
Funding & Finance6 discussions

Should alcohol duty be included in or excluded from margin calculations?

Whether to include duty depends on your purpose, but there are two distinct approaches: **For internal analysis and strategy:** Exclude duty from margin calculations. This approach is cleaner and more useful because: - It allows meaningful comparison across different channels (duty-free/export vs. UK domestic sales) - It keeps margins consistent when duty rates change—important because you typically can't pass duty rate increases directly to customers without them accepting the cost increase separately - It gives you a true picture of what's fundamentally changing in your business **For retail/wholesale customer discussions:** Include duty so your customer's margin calculations reflect their actual landed costs. **Key principle:** Members note that duty is not reclaimable like VAT, so it cannot be treated the same way. The standard approach among strategic-minded producers is to exclude duty when benchmarking gross margins, especially since duty rates vary hugely internationally. This avoids the problem where a duty rate change on 1 February (for example) would artificially depress your reported margin percentage despite nothing fundamentally changing in your operation. One member flagged that duty-suspended calculations are more complex and less commonly used.

#margins#pricing#duty#finance
Sales, Marketing & PR6 discussions

What margins do independent pubs and on-trade retailers typically expect when purchasing spirits and drinks?

Independent pubs typically look for **60–75% margin**, with **70–72% gross profit** being the standard expectation. It's important to note that this margin is calculated relative to the per-serve price they sell at, not simply as a percentage of the purchase price (e.g., 10 serves × 6 = 60 vs. the purchase price of 20). Margin expectations vary by channel: - **Independent pubs**: 60–75% margin / 70–72% gross profit - **Wholesalers**: 10–25% depending on product type - **Off-trade**: 25–40% - **Promotional products**: Around 30%, potentially lower if positioned as a footfall driver Members have also asked about specific major retailers (DDC, Majestic) but concrete margin data for those chains was not shared in the discussion. The **Gross Profit app** (iOS) was recommended as a practical tool for calculating margins more easily.

#on-trade#margins#pricing#independent-pubs
Route to Market6 discussions

Is it worth launching mini or sample-size bottles as a trial/sampling product, given packaging and distribution costs?

Mini bottles are **not a reliable profit driver** but can work in specific contexts if margins are managed carefully and customer acquisition costs justify the tactic. **Key findings from member experience:** - **5cl mini bottles** — Generally loss-making for direct consumer trial online; members tested them for CAC reduction without sufficient impact to justify the cost. However, they do drive sampling at a few pence per serve (vs £1+ per serve in other channels), which can be worthwhile tactically. - **20cl bottles** — The more viable size; some success with luxury hospitality (e.g. rum for hotel mini bars), though margins remain thin. - **Half-size (375ml) bottles** — Better margin than 5cl; work well for D2C as "handbag size" gifts and off-trade channels. Useful as a "gateway option." One member noted they've stocked half-sizes for years with good uptake in these channels. - **Gift packs (3–4 SKUs)** — More promising than individual minis; good for D2C and reducing customer trading-down from full bottles. - **In-person trial over online** — Members found direct tasting (in-store, face-to-face) consistently outperformed online mini-bottle drops for driving conversion and reducing CAC. **Caveats:** - **Never launch more than two size variants** — Member warned this becomes "absolutely lethal" operationally. - **Watch the channel** — Duty-free (e.g. airport) and big corporate buyers (e.g. Beams, Gift Creations) often demand 70% duty-free and 35% distributor margin, making minis a loss-leader; only worthwhile if trial/volume justifies it. - **Avoid cannibalisation** — One member deliberately avoids selling individual 5cl minis in their own shops to prevent customers trading down from 70cl bottles. - **Test before scaling** — If you can achieve low MOQ, it's worth testing; if manufacturing is a hassle, stick to selling the full-size bottle.

#mini-bottles#sampling#packaging#margins
Sales, Marketing & PR5 discussions

What pricing structure should producers, wholesalers, and retailers use to ensure adequate margins at each level in the spirits supply chain?

Members shared a community-created pricing model spreadsheet that maps out margin requirements across the supply chain when working backwards from a retail RRP. **Key resource:** The community maintains a shared Google spreadsheet that calculates required COGS, wholesale, and retail price points based on a target RRP and desired margin percentages at each level. This allows producers to determine what manufacturing cost they need to hit to ensure wholesalers and retailers each take their cut. **Important consideration:** The spreadsheet uses markup calculations for wholesale pricing (e.g., dividing by 1.2 to reflect a 20% markup), which differs from the margin calculation method used for retail. Members note this distinction matters—markup and margin are calculated differently. Clarify whether your business model thinks in terms of markup or margin percentage, as this affects how you apply the formula. **Access:** Request the current version from the community (the spreadsheet link is maintained collectively and may be updated). Members are actively refining the model and discussing the mechanics, so asking in the group will get you the latest version with any corrections applied. **Caveats:** The calculations assume standard VAT treatment and work backwards from RRP. The exact margins required may vary by channel (independent retailers vs. multiple retailers), product category, and distribution method, so treat the model as a framework to adapt rather than a fixed rule.

#pricing#margins#wholesale#retail
Sales, Marketing & PR5 discussions

What are typical retail markups and margins for spirits and wine?

Retail margins vary significantly by retailer type and product category. Premium retailers target higher margins, while convenience stores work on smaller margins to drive faster turnover. **Key principles:** - Distinguish between markup and margin — retailers focus on margin (cost less selling price, divided by selling price), not markup - Margin varies by product value: premium spirits (e.g. Louis XIII) generate larger cash margins despite lower percentage margins; entry-level products (e.g. Remy Martin VSOP) often have higher percentage margins but smaller cash returns - Wine typically attracts higher percentage margins than spirits - Rate of Sale inversely affects margin — faster-moving products command lower margins **Typical ranges:** - Spirits: Around 30% margin as a rough benchmark - Wine: Higher percentage margins than spirits **Tools to calculate margins:** - **thinkMargin** — a dedicated app with handy calculators for margin, cost, and price - Custom integrations with **Xero** and **Zoho Books** are available if you need bespoke solutions **Note:** The exact margin your retailer will accept depends on their business model, the cash margin they'll make per unit, and how quickly your product is expected to sell.

#retail pricing#margins#spirits#wine
Sales, Marketing & PR5 discussions

How should we price in response to rising input costs, and what increases are other UK drinks brands implementing?

Members are actively passing cost increases to both trade and D2C channels to protect margins ahead of potential exits. This is viewed as necessary despite concerns about losing accounts. **Observed pricing moves:** - Ex-cellar increases of **3–5%** across multiple SKUs are common among smaller brands - Major producers (e.g. Molson Coors with Estrella) have implemented increases closer to **10%** - One member implemented their first increase in 4 years; another in 2 years - Some brands (e.g. Lucky Saint) have *reduced* prices, signalling different strategic positioning **Community consensus:** - Protecting margins is critical if you want a viable exit - Trade accounts expect increases and understand the cost environment (fuel, energy, ingredients all up) - Small brands needn't worry about losing hard-fought accounts over reasonable increases—customers know increases are coming industry-wide - **First increases after multi-year holds are more defensible** than frequent small hikes **Caveat:** One member flagged concern about bargaining power as a smaller brand, but the group consensus was that this worry is usually unfounded in the current cost environment.

#pricing#margins#cost-management#d2c
Route to Market5 discussions

Is selling spirits on Amazon FBA economically viable given fulfilment costs and retail pricing constraints?

Based on member experience, Amazon FBA for spirits is extremely challenging at standard UK retail price points. **The core problem:** fulfilment costs are prohibitive relative to achievable margins. One member reported selling Duppy White at £19.75 RRP, with a £16.45 ex-VAT wholesale cost, but facing £4.75 Amazon FBA fulfilment fees per unit — leaving approximately £0.50 profit per sale. This makes the economics unworkable at typical spirits pricing. Members exploring alternatives: - **Amazon Vendor Central (1P)** — appears to be a different model worth investigating, though members noted standard FBA (3P/Seller Central) doesn't work - **Direct distributor partnerships** — some members work with specialist retailers like **Fine Wine Cellars** rather than Amazon FBA - **Ankor Store** — mentioned as an alternative channel being evaluated by members, though no detailed feedback was shared on viability **Key caveat:** No member in this discussion reported successfully running a profitable spirits FBA operation at standard price points. If pursuing Amazon sales, a direct conversation with an Amazon Vendor Manager (rather than standard FBA) may open different margin structures, though members were still exploring this option at the time of discussion.

#amazon#ecommerce#fulfillment-costs#spirits-pricing
Route to Market4 discussions

What margin requirements do duty-free and airport retailers typically demand?

Duty-free and airport retail channels operate on significantly higher margin expectations than standard retail. **Margin requirements:** - **Duty-free/airport retailers** typically require 65–70% margin on RTD products - **Dublin Airport** specifically requests 70% duty-free margin and 35% DP (distributor price) **RRP considerations:** - Recommended Retail Price must be positioned at approximately 40% lower than the market average to remain competitive in duty-free channels **Context:** These are demanding channels that require both high-margin products and aggressive RRP positioning. Members confirmed these figures are standard expectations when approaching duty-free distribution.

#duty-free#airport-retail#margins#distribution
Route to Market4 discussions

What are the margins and payment terms offered by major drinks distribution partners like CLF and Tree of Life?

Members who work with major drinks distributors report consistently long payment terms but variable margins depending on the retail accounts supplied. **CLF** — Members using CLF report 90-day payment terms. One member noted CLF can be "expensive on the marketing front." Another member found their margins "extremely high" and decided not to proceed, though noted that negotiation on terms may be possible. CLF works well for supplying specific retailers like Planet Organic, where margins are described as "working for now." One member (Punchy) works with CLF and considers them "okay" overall. **Tree of Life** — Limited feedback in community; one member expressed interest but no direct user testimonials were shared. **Payment terms caveat** — 90-day payment terms appear standard across distributors for retail supply routes. Members should factor this into cash flow planning when evaluating distributor partnerships.

#distribution#margins#payment-terms#wholesale
Route to Market3 discussions

What is a standard export pricing margin per bottle when selling to importers ex works?

There is no fixed standard margin for ex-works export pricing to importers; the margin depends on several factors and should be worked backwards from retail selling price (RSP) and in-market wholesale prices. **Key factors to consider:** - **Margin baseline** — Members typically work with around 60% margin, though this varies significantly by customer type and channel - **A&P reinvestment** — Budget 30–40% of margin back into advertising and promotion, particularly when selling through distributors - **Customer type** — Margins differ depending on whether you're selling to a distributor or direct to retailer; retailer sales will depend on proposed marketing investment expected from them - **Competitive positioning** — Understand your competitive set and the full value chain before setting price; work backwards from RSP and/or in-market wholesale price rather than forwards from cost - **Minimum threshold** — Ensure the margin is sufficient to support your brand investment, especially in new markets **Approach:** Rather than applying a standard percentage, map out the full value chain, understand what competitors charge at each tier, and ensure your ex-works price leaves enough headroom for distributor/retailer margin while allowing you to fund brand support adequately.

#export-pricing#distributor-pricing#margins
Sales, Marketing & PR3 discussions

What wholesale margins should I expect to offer in the soft drinks industry, and how do they vary by customer type?

Soft drinks wholesaler margins typically range from **10% to 30%**, depending heavily on customer size and negotiating power. - **Large group/national customers**: Expect margins as low as **10–15%** on open-book pricing arrangements. These high-volume buyers have significant leverage. - **Independents and smaller retailers**: List price margins can reach **25–30%**, occasionally higher. - **Mid-range/standard wholesale**: **15–25%** is the typical baseline for general wholesale relationships. - **Partnership/deal-based arrangements**: When working collaboratively on specific deals, margins may compress to **10–15%**. The wide range reflects that wholesalers negotiate individually based on volume commitments and customer tier—there is no fixed industry standard. Larger customers with volume leverage consistently achieve lower margins, while smaller independents pay higher wholesale prices.

#wholesale#margins#soft drinks#pricing
Route to Market3 discussions

What margins do mainstream supermarkets and discount chains typically expect on spirits and mixers?

Supermarket margins on spirits vary significantly by retailer tier and product category. **Mainstream supermarkets** typically expect 25%+ margin on standard spirits, rising to 30% on super-premium ranges. **Discount chains** (Aldi/Lidl) operate on much tighter margins of 10–12%. **Mixers** command notably higher margins at 40–48%. Note that ex-duty spirits can see margins north of 50%, which may affect your commercial model depending on duty status.

#supermarket-retail#margins#spirits#pricing
Route to Market3 discussions

Are retail gift sets economically viable as a product strategy?

Retail gift sets are generally not a strong margin play and carry significant hidden costs that often make them uneconomical. **The core issue:** While you achieve similar cash margin to a single bottle on spirits, the gross margin is worse due to cardboard, assembly labour, and postage breakage. Members recommend approaching gift sets as a **brand-awareness and seasonal-peak tactic** (Christmas, gifting occasions) rather than a margin driver. **Key challenges members flagged:** - **Assembly costs** — either internal labour (time-consuming) or outsourced (paid labour eats margin) - **Cardboard costs** — expensive in small volumes; the temptation to over-order at volume discounts often leads to dead stock and writeoffs - **Postage breakage** — products easily break in transit, increasing returns and goodwill costs - **Poor sell-through** — one member ordered 1,000 units for Christmas and sold only 100, resulting in a net loss overall - **Retailer margin squeeze** — if you sell a gift pack at £11 wholesale, it typically lands on shelf at £25, meaning retailers take substantial margin - **Market resistance** — gifting over the £20 price point is a tough sell in the current market (mini gift sets are the exception, showing growth) **When to consider them:** Only if the strategic goal is tapping into predictable gifting peaks or building brand awareness, not margin. Members suggest treating them as a seasonal, limited-run tactic rather than a core SKU.

#gifting#retail#margins#packaging
Sales, Marketing & PR3 discussions

What margin expectations should I set for rapid delivery apps like Gorillas?

Members report that margin expectations for rapid delivery platforms vary depending on product category. - **Grocery products**: Rapid delivery apps typically expect to price-match small convenience stores (like Waitrose or Tesco Express), which constrains margins to wholesale-equivalent levels. - **Non-grocery products**: Apps can be "more greedy" with margin demands when competing on non-grocery items, suggesting better negotiating positions outside the grocery category. One member noted they're operating at the same margin rate as their wholesale business when supplying rapid delivery platforms. The key variable is category: if you're in grocery, expect tighter margins aligned with small-store retail pricing; if outside grocery, there may be more room to negotiate higher margins.

#rapid-delivery#margins#pricing#distribution
Route to Market2 discussions

What do brands need to know about using Amazon sales setup services, and what are the typical costs and margins?

Members have raised concerns about Amazon setup services, particularly around margin pressure and value for money. One member noted that **Rosetta Brands** operates a value chain that feels "brutal" from a margin perspective, suggesting margins are tight if you work with them. The community is cautious about third-party Amazon setup agencies in general—members describe needing to carefully evaluate whether the service fee is worth the actual profit you'll retain. A member mentioned they're exploring a call with an agency described as "the most affordable" they know, though the same contact noted that agency isn't particularly "bullish on ads" and is positioned as a reasonable starting point rather than an optimised solution. No specific pricing figures were shared in the discussion, but the underlying concern is clear: Amazon margin compression is real, and setup service fees can eat significantly into already-thin e-commerce margins.

#amazon#ecommerce#margins#sales-setup
Route to Market2 discussions

What is the minimum acceptable margin for craft premium brands when negotiating with larger distributors?

Before agreeing to lower margins with a distributor, members advise asking what concrete value you're receiving in return. The key principle is not to focus purely on the margin percentage in isolation, but to understand the full return on that concession. **Key negotiation tactics:** - **Tie margin reductions to A&P budget** — If the distributor is asking for a tighter margin, ensure they're converting that saving into advertising and promotional support on their end. This transforms the cost into marketing spend that drives volume. - **Understand the true trade-off** — Ask the distributor explicitly what they're offering in exchange: expanded listing, dedicated sales support, marketing commitment, faster payment terms, or volume guarantees. Without this clarity, a lower margin may simply mean lower profit with no corresponding benefit. - **Be cautious about switching costs** — Members warned that moving distributor comes with significant risk and typically takes 6+ months to see any performance change. Before accepting margin pressure from your current distributor, verify that switching wouldn't be worse. "Often the grass is greener on the other side of the fence when the reality is there isn't a magic wand to wave." **Bottom line:** There is no universal "acceptable minimum" margin—it depends entirely on what the distributor is delivering in return. Negotiate for value, not just price.

#distribution#margins#negotiation#craft-spirits
Route to Market2 discussions

What gross profit margins should we expect when supplying alcoholic beverages to hotel bars compared to regular bars?

Hotel bars typically operate on different margin structures than traditional bars, though the exact expectation depends on whether you're supplying to an in-room or bar operation. **Margin expectations:** - Regular bars typically work off **65–75% gross profit** on wet sales - Hotel bars are more flexible since beverage sales are often secondary to room revenue, but members suggest aiming for at least **70% GP minimum** if supplying direct - When working backwards from the customer's selling price, assume they'll want around **50% of their retail selling price as GP** **Direct supply considerations:** - If supplying direct to the hotel chain, build in a **wholesale buffer margin** (typically 15% or £5–6 per case) to protect yourself if the hotel later sources through a wholesaler instead. This prevents your pricing being undercut and endangering your listing - Be mindful of the supply chain: chains may transition from direct purchase to wholesaler fulfillment as volumes grow, so structure pricing accordingly **Key caveat:** Members emphasized the importance of protecting your own margins early on to avoid being squeezed if distribution channels change. The exact GP% negotiable depending on volume and whether it's a room-service or in-bar placement.

#pricing#hotel-distribution#margins#b2b-sales
Sales, Marketing & PR2 discussions

What margin structure and profitability metrics should a D2C spirits business target, and how do duty, delivery, VAT and advertising costs affect unit economics?

D2C spirits margins are tight once excise duty, delivery and product costs are factored in. Members emphasise that **profitability on first sale is essential**—don't rely on lifetime value given iOS attribution changes. **Cost structure reality:** - Excise duty on 40% ABV spirits: ~£9 per bottle - Delivery: ~£5 per order - Product cost: variable, but leaves little room at £30 net sale price - VAT: applies on top and must be accounted for **Profitability targets:** - **Minimum 50% gross margin** required for D2C to work - **ROAS (Return on Ad Spend) targets:** Members use 5.5× ROAS as a benchmark; pause spend if falling below target - Calculate ROAS across *all* D2C channels (not just Facebook), as Facebook attribution is unreliable post-iOS changes **Strategic options:** - **Bundle duty-heavy spirits with merchandise** (lower-duty items, branded goods) to spread fixed costs and improve blended margins - Use a **ROAS calculator** to model scenarios before scaling ad spend - Be disciplined: pull back on advertising immediately if ROAS drops below your threshold **Caveat:** One member with 100,000+ Shopify orders notes this is learnable, but requires in-house discipline or agency support to execute profitably. Don't assume repeat customers will save unprofitable first sales.

#d2c#margins#unit-economics#pricing
Sales, Marketing & PR2 discussions

What are the specific fees and margin impacts of selling drinks via Amazon FBA (Fulfilled By Amazon)?

Amazon FBA involves two main fee categories that collectively reduce margins significantly: - **Referral fee**: 10–15% of selling price, depending on product category - **Shipping/fulfilment fee**: Approximately 10% of selling price, dependent on item size and weight Members should expect these two fees to combine for a substantial margin reduction when calculating profitability on Amazon FBA sales. The exact referral fee percentage varies by category, so it's worth checking your specific product classification on Amazon's fee schedule. Shipping fees are particularly sensitive to package dimensions and weight, so optimising packaging can help reduce costs.

#amazon#fba#fees#margins
Route to Market2 discussions

What profit-on-return percentage do major UK retailers like Waitrose expect for premium spirits?

Waitrose expects **30% POR (Profit on Return)** for premium spirits. This is the baseline expectation members have confirmed with the retailer. No additional negotiation tactics or alternatives were discussed in the community thread.

#retail#margins#premium-spirits#waitrose
Route to Market2 discussions

What margins and payment terms do on-trade spirits distributors typically expect?

Based on community experience, on-trade distributors supplying spirits to venues typically look for **20–25% margin** on spirits (calculated as profit on return %). This figure comes from direct experience with **Inn Express**, a major UK distributor. Members should expect these margins as a baseline when negotiating distribution agreements for venue supply.

#distribution#on-trade#margins#spirits
Route to Market2 discussions

What margin do specialty retailers typically expect on a 750ml bottle priced at £15?

Standard retail margin expectations for a £15 750ml bottle sit at **15–25%**, according to members with direct experience in specialty retail placement.

#retail#pricing#margins#wholesale
Route to Market2 discussions

How should brands set minimum order quantities (MOQs) when selling to wholesalers?

MOQs should be structured to work commercially for both the brand and the wholesaler. Set a threshold below which orders become unprofitable for you—if a wholesaler orders just two cases, your margin gets squeezed rapidly. **Pricing strategy with MOQ tiers:** - Set a baseline MOQ (e.g. pallet or half-pallet quantities) that makes financial sense - For orders below the MOQ, charge an additional fee to cover your costs and reduced margin - This approach protects profitability while still allowing smaller orders when the customer pays a premium **Delivery considerations:** - Delivered pricing is standard, though some regional or friendly wholesalers may occasionally collect stock themselves (rare bonus) **Key caveat:** Members stressed that MOQs must balance your commercial needs against wholesaler requirements—set them too high and you lose sales; too low and you erode margins on small orders.

#wholesale#moq#pricing#margins
Route to Market2 discussions

What pricing strategy should I use when launching products in new export markets?

Members recommend setting your ex works export list price within 15% variance of your UK bonded pricing, with any additional deals or A&P (advertising and promotion) support layered on top. Before finalizing pricing, ask your importer for the pricing of competitor brands in that territory—this gives you a realistic benchmark for where you need to be positioned competitively. Your final price should also reflect how aggressively you want to pursue volume in that market; higher volumes may justify lower margins. Members also highlight the importance of understanding the full value chain for each territory, as this can significantly impact optimal pricing structure.

#export-pricing#market-entry#distributor-strategy#margins
Route to Market1 discussion

What margin and rebate structure should we expect when selling through DDC for contract catering accounts?

Members report that DDC contract catering deals typically involve a **45% wholesale margin** before reaching the end customer. This breaks down as **25% to DDC** plus **20% for their rebate agreement**. One member was recently quoted at these levels, so this appears to be current market pricing. Ensure you clarify the split between their direct margin and rebate obligations upfront, as the combined impact significantly affects your profitability on these accounts.

#contract-catering#margins#wholesale#ddc
Route to Market1 discussion

What are the real margin impacts of offering free shipping above a threshold on D2C orders?

Free shipping thresholds are now essential for D2C but significantly erode margins post-logistics. One member's detailed analysis found that while they projected 78% of orders would fall below their £50 threshold (and thus incur shipping costs to the customer), the actual figure was 60%—meaning 40% of orders attracted free shipping. This 20-percentage-point miss meant they absorbed full pick, pack, and shipping costs on far more orders than modelled, collapsing website margins to levels comparable with on-trade and off-trade channels. The key lesson: free shipping thresholds are now table-stakes for D2C competitiveness, but members should model conservatively (expect lower conversion to paid shipping than intuition suggests) and stress-test margin impact before committing.

#d2c#margins#shipping-logistics#pricing